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One year later
By JJ MacNab | April 24, 2008
Today marks the one-year anniversary of the sentencing of Edward and Elaine Brown. As a result of their criminal tax convictions and refusal to appear in court, they each received a 63 month prison sentence which they started to serve on October 4, 2007.
Had Elaine accepted the deal she’d cut with the government and resisted the urge to return home to Plainfield in February, 2007, she’d be free about 18 months from now. Instead, she will possibly spend the rest of her life in prison for choosing Ed’s violent path. That’s just sad.
Meanwhile, Ed is continuing to file nasty grams with the court clerk, even though he and Elaine threw away all chances to appeal their conviction last summer.   They spent months thumbing their noses at the courts with their crazy “I am the Body of the Lord”/”the Queen of England is a head of the US and the Illuminati” talk, meanwhile missing every crucial filing deadline. Ed’s newest filing, of course, is nothing more than his usual pseudo-legal babble.
Topics: Ed Brown, Elaine Brown | 38 Comments »
April 24th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Too bad Ed is American. If he were British, he could easily qualify for the final round of competition in the Annual Great Britain Twit of the Year Contest – a la Monty Python’s Flying Circus.
I bet he also carries over the same attitude over towards his warders and fellow inmates and then he will complain about how nobody likes him.
And that pain Ed is feeling, it’s Mr. T pitying him extra hard.
April 24th, 2008 at 10:12 am
For the head of a great movement, he writes like a seventh grader. BTW, why is he concerned that lawyers are engaged in intercourse? Just jealousy?
April 24th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Ed’s letter to the court is as bizarre as anything he’s argued before, and that’s saying something. He wants a 1099 form because his conviction is a “taxable commercial transaction”? And the court clerk is guilty of “sedition”?
April 24th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
For all the people that allegedly supported E&E during their fugitive days, less than a handful even pay any attention to them anymore. How quick they all forget…..
April 24th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
I am looking for ANY hint as to when the Quatloos forum will be back up and running. Last I read, there was some issue with tables and the hosting company, possibly al-Qaeda and/or the Ton-ton Macouts. We are fast approaching a week since the forum there went to hell-in-a-handbasket which makes me wonder if the hosting company is actually doing anything or if they are just sitting around, ramming Cheetos into their cake-holes, being flatulent and playing WoW.
You would think there is a point that they can back up from, before everything went south. I know the person/people who maintain the site and the forum are doing their part.
It also appears, just from a single test, that you cannot join as a new member either. To me, and my very, very untrained eye, this would seem to be a problem with the hosting company and if they are giving really carpyservice, it might be time to look elsewhere for hosting.
Anyhoo, with out information as to what is going on, it makes me a tad frustrated. But, that’s me, I like to keep informed, even if it is bad news.
Now, back to our regularly scheduled topic.
Ed Brown, is typical of many blowhards, if you ignore them, they go away. The shrieking and whining will get higher pitched and shriller until one day, poof! it is gone.
April 24th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Ed Brown whines:
“…if you don’t give me the completed tax forms here, are you in violation of the income tax laws? Yes.”
But Ed, I thought you said there wasn’t a law concerning taxes. I believe the Clerk of the Court should ask Ed to show him the law he is supposedly violating.
April 24th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
CKB:
I wish I was in a position to give an ETA. And although the webmaster hasn’t even hinted at the following sentiment, I think we’re lucky he can devote much time at all to this, given how insanely busy he is and that he volunteers his time. I’ve been trying to take some pressure off him and ultimately speed things up by giving him some sql statements that should help, but I can’t make any guarantees since I can’t actually see the problem – just visualize it, try to mimic it on my local server, run tests, and try to stop the ferrets from taking the sql book away.
If my plan of attack goes well, roughly 60 users will magically come back to life and we’ll have dummy users set up for the unrecoverable ones so we can see their posts again. Added bonus is that the forum admins should be able to modify these dummy users so that they can be handed back to the original owner (a delayed resurrection, if you will) should they be able to identify the user.
Like I said, IF my plan of attack went well. Don’t know yet. So, um, no news yet.
April 24th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Fair enough and I am sure that some folks have thought of the missing posters as dummies all along……
April 25th, 2008 at 6:28 am
CKB Says:
April 24th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Fair enough and I am sure that some folks have thought of the missing posters as dummies all along……
Hey! I resemble that remark!
April 25th, 2008 at 7:58 am
Webhick,
I (The Operative) am also missing from Quatloos.
April 25th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Without quatloos I feel so alone. Its like being able to watch a kickass party through a window, but now allowed inside….
April 25th, 2008 at 9:07 am
I’ve tried to open the window, but, alas, it is really stuck shut.
The party is always better with more people but we’ll try to keep it going.
April 25th, 2008 at 9:45 am
None of this would be happening if Al Gore or Jimmy Carter were still alive……
April 25th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Will the sentencing be in Concord or in Maine?
April 25th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Thanks for the information on Quatloos, Webhick. (I go on vacation for a week and find that I’ve been “disappeared.”)
April 25th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Out of curiosity, at what point will additional charges be levied against the Browns for things like evading arrest and so forth?
Or is it more likely the supporters will be tried first so that their testimony and court records can be used to hammer the Browns?
Curious in CKB-land
April 25th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
There’s no rush on prosecuting Ed and Elaine on the really big stuff (the explosives count will have a 30 year minimum sentence.)
After all, the prosecutors have a pretty good idea where the Browns will be for the next four years or so.
April 25th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Yep, I say wait until Ed and Elaine only have about 18 months left on their current sentence and let them feel like it is almost over. Then file the big stuff and remove all hope of them ever seeing freedom again.
April 25th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
They may be waiting to see if any of the recently convicted three are willing to testify against Ed & Elaine in exchange for some leniency at sentencing.
April 25th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
One of the advantages of waiting until after the trials of the other supporters is that the convicted supporters may be eligible for a post-sentence reduction for assisting in the prosecution of Ed & Elaine.
Some (Danny Riley for example) will probably be going away for so long that a reduction may be meaningless. Others not so. Reno may be in a uniquely good position to try to make a deal now based on the two hung jury counts. A sentence based upon the two counts he was convicted on should get him out of jail before the end of time.
April 25th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Good news, Mrs. W, the judge denied Reno’s request to delay the trial, so it’s going to take place in late June as originally scheduled.
April 26th, 2008 at 7:01 am
JJ/admin – This is an awesome site (as well as the sister Snipes site) and I wanted to say thank you for taking your time with them. It has been extremely informative, not to mention quite entertaining at times. Good luck with your ongoing research and work. I look forward to reading your book one day.
April 26th, 2008 at 11:41 am
FYI, Quatloos is partially up. We’re still missing 13 confirmed users (I put a list under Site Comments for those who are interested) and the process for adding the dummy users hasn’t been done yet.
April 26th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Webhick must not like me.
She still left me off the missing users list.
- The Operative
April 27th, 2008 at 12:41 am
Sorry, I didn’t mean to neglect you. I was compiling the list by hand and probably mistook “The Observer” for “The Operative”. The thing is that I had two queries that copied from the backup to the current. The first restored up explicit id numbers (the folks from the list), while the other would restore folks with activity who are not on the list. Unfortunately, the webmaster deleted the backup user table after running the first one because the second one had an error. Come to find out that the mysql version is too old to run my voodoo. I’m working on coding something to work around the problem.
April 27th, 2008 at 1:17 am
I should note that there’s a possibility that you may be restored from the database after I get the perl code to the webmaster. Please do not re-register. Some people are doing that and it’s creating more work.
April 27th, 2008 at 6:43 am
Admin, thank you for the news.
Every day that passes makes it one day closer to the end.
April 27th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Thanks webhick. I am a computer programmer at my normal job so I knew better than to try and re-register. Unfortunately, I don’t do much web development and I haven’t worked with the phpBB and MySQL so I am unable to lend any assistance.
Thanks again.
April 27th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Thanks for the continued updates. I still can’t log on, as you know.
May 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pm
No need to jackhammer me back in, I can just register under a slightly different handle.
May 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Oh, BTW, it sure is nice to have another site where you know most of the same folks hang out where we can chat about this. That alone is nearly as useful as the original intent of the site.
A warm “huzzah” for Demo and her 100% illegal, soon-to-be-sued-the-pants-off-of and generally nifty site.
May 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
And welcome back to Buck09 who talks a lot of talk but never seems to walk the walk.
In a year, this site will still be hear and Buck09 will still be expelling ill humours and vapors and fulminating about how the site is “illegal” and as soon as he has two dimes to rub together he will take action.
Blah blah blah………. wake me when the Hindenburgbuck09 gets near the mooring tower.
May 1st, 2008 at 4:52 pm
As stated previously, this is truly an awesome site. I continue to follow, remaining in the shadows for the most part. But I must say this: CKB you seem “onto it” and much sense comes with your words. (I used to be a “truther/anti-taxer” until they demanded I do my research! Well, well, quite ironic, that.) Best wishes to all.
May 1st, 2008 at 10:43 pm
((BTW I DID continue to pay my taxes, just for the record))
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:44 am
CKB: I think you’re confusing buck09 from Q with OldBuck.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:20 am
I believe Webhick is correct. I apologize to Buck09. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
May 2nd, 2008 at 4:56 pm
CKB – no worries. Actually, OldBuck and I do have a one thing in common. We’re both completely useless when it comes to most issues on taxation. (Q is my comedic relief after years of dealing with nuts in the real world.)
Unlike OldBuck, I’m a moderately productive member of society who doesn’t partake in the double-barreled koolaid-bong hit that is the tax protest / paytriot / paultard movement.
May 6th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Webhick, it’s not very nice to refer to TPs as “dummy users”.